Beatrice de Mandeville1

F, #336121, d. before 1197
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     Beatrice de Mandeville was the daughter of William de Mandeville.2 She married William de Say, son of unknown de Say.1 She and Hugh Talebot were divorced before 1098.1 She married, firstly, Hugh Talebot before 1098.1 She died before 1197.1
     From before 1098, her married name became Talebot.1 From 1098, her married name became Say.1

Children of Beatrice de Mandeville and William de Say

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]

William de Say1

M, #336122, d. August 1144
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     William de Say was the son of unknown de Say.2 He married Beatrice de Mandeville, daughter of William de Mandeville.1 He died in August 1144, allegedly killed in an attack on Burwell Castle, Cambridgeshires, along with his brother-in-law 1st Earl of Essex, though he may well have died later.1
     Between December 1141 and June 1142 he was granted his father's lands in a charter of the Empress Maud.1 In 1144 he joined his brother-in-law, Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex, in rebellion against King Stephen.1

Children of William de Say and Beatrice de Mandeville

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]

unknown wife (?)1

F, #336123
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     unknown wife (?) married William de Say, son of William de Say and Beatrice de Mandeville.1

Children of unknown wife (?) and William de Say

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]

Beatrice de Say1

F, #336124, d. before 19 April 1197
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     Beatrice de Say was the daughter of William de Say and unknown wife (?).2 She married Geoffrey fitz Piers, 3rd Earl of Essex, son of Piers de Lutegareshale and Maud de Mandeville, on 25 January 1184/85.1 She died before 19 April 1197.1

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]
  3. [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume V, page 125. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

William de Say1

M, #336125, d. before 1 January 1198/99
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     William de Say was the son of Geoffrey de Say and Alice Maminot.1 He died before 1 January 1198/99.1

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]


Maud de Say1

F, #336126, d. before 28 March 1222
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     Maud de Say was the daughter of William de Say and unknown wife (?).2 She married William de Boclande.1 She died before 28 March 1222.1

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]

William de Boclande1

M, #336127
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     William de Boclande married Maud de Say, daughter of William de Say and unknown wife (?).1
     Half brother of Geoffrey fitz Piers, 3rd Earl of Essex somehow.1 He had three daughters.1 He lived at Buckland, Berkshire, EnglandG.1

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]

Geoffrey de Say1

M, #336128, b. before 1135, d. between 1212 and 1214
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     Geoffrey de Say was born before 1135.1 He was the son of William de Say and Beatrice de Mandeville.2 He married, secondly, Alice de Vere, daughter of Aubrey de Vere, 1st Earl of Oxford and Agnes de Essex.1 He married, firstly, Alice Maminot, daughter of Hugh Maminot and widow of Ralph de Cahaines.1 He died between 1212 and 1214.1
     He was involved in financial transactions and law suits against his cousin and nephew by marriage, Geoffrey fitz Piers, to gain the lands of the Mandeville Earls of Essex.1

Children of Geoffrey de Say and Alice Maminot

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]

Hugh Maminot and widow of Ralph de Cahaines1

M, #336129
Last Edited=15 Feb 2009

Child of Hugh Maminot and widow of Ralph de Cahaines

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]

Alice Maminot1

F, #336130
Last Edited=17 Feb 2009
     Alice Maminot is the daughter of Hugh Maminot and widow of Ralph de Cahaines.2 She married, secondly, Geoffrey de Say, son of William de Say and Beatrice de Mandeville.1 She married, firstly, Ralph de Cahaines.1

Children of Alice Maminot and Geoffrey de Say

Citations

  1. [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3531. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
  2. [S37] BP2003. [S37]